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16 May 2008
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Hi, I got here via the Fatosphere feed from Shapely Prose.
You ask for thoughts. I wrote mine out while I was watching, so that's the format I'm using. Here they are:
First, this guy's just a cook, right? Where's his authority on this topic?
I think there is a difference between fat-fear & dieting vs. being aware of how our eating habits impact the planet, and fortunately he seems to have focused on the latter.
Yay headless fatty shot. :( Sigh.
Also, fast food... Well. I'm pretty sure that doesn't count as real meat. When you eat fast food, you're getting a lot less value for the number of calories you're consuming. The ingredients have been drained of their nutritive content. But damn that stuff can taste good when you want junk food! :)
Um...what's the problem with ethnic food? Just that you can't get that stuff locally, I hope...
I'm leery of romanticizing the family farm deal. If you're working to provide food for your family, you can't work other jobs. By romanticizing that era, one proposes regression. I am no social studies student. I'm physics. I can't make an educated claim (and certainly not an unbiased one) about the effects of industrialization. But... We can't go back. Well, short of Armageddon, I don't think we will. And I think we really need to seriously consider whether that would be desirable anyway. One must consider the technological advancements that industrialization has brought us, and weigh those against the damage that the industrialized countries do to the supporting (read: exploited) countries. Can industrialization be maintained if we reevaluate and actually change our approach to these countries. Can we unexploit them?
His talk also reeks of class and male privilege. I don't have the energy to point them all out, but when he starts talking about women cooking and the family idea that he has in his head... Yeah.
He does make a good point about our current lax requirements for the "organic" label.
I would say that a lot of our (I speak as a resident of the US) thoughts about how much meat we want/need in our diets is purely habit. In the context of intuitive eating, how often do you honestly feel you really need a steak, or chicken? If I did a better job analyzing my body's requests, I bet I would come up with way more requests for leafy greens and pasta than anything else - those are generally the things I get cravings for. Sometimes an orange or grapes, definitely tomatoes. Not steak. It sounds good if I read it as an option on a menu, but I don't usually think, "My body really wants meat right now."
So, generally, I think he's in the right, that our meat consumption in the USA is way overblown, and we're hurting the planet and need to cut back.
I couldn't stop laughing. He is not a scientist and there was so much absurd and incorrect scientific and medical information in his talk, not to mention nutritional science and food production information, it is amazing anyone might take this stuff remotely seriously.
i stopped paying attention shortly after he started mocking the classism of eating locally. classist or not, reducing the amount of petroleum used from harvest to table would make an incredible difference on a large scale. many communities are developing coop programs to make local produce more accessible to less wealthy people. hell, my *school* has two such programs. are we wealthy classist snobs at the low-cost local college down the street from a high-profile school with triple the tuition? because we try to eat more responsibly? please.
I can't view the little picture or film thingie, but I'm responding to the response, because.........
I own a farm and that means absolutely zippo to my personal nutrition! *haha!*
Also I wanted to point out that, at least in my state, lad and growing conditions have to be chemical-free etc. for like 8 years before you're able to classify what you've grown as "organic". To a person who actually owns land that is farmed (wheat, corn, sorghum), that doesn't seem so lax...if I wanted to produce "organic" food I'd have to start yesterday in order to see any profit!
* : /
*land* haha. sry
Even if he speaks from a viewpoint of privelege I did appreciate his comment that "...food wasn't important enough for men to pick up the burden...".
Cooking is a skill and is often not treated as such. One thing I've noticed is that there are folk who have grown up with convenience foods and even if they wish to cook they may not have good luck with it.
Cook books can only tell you so much, and nothing beats hands on experience for finding what you like, don't like, what batter should look like for cookies, pancakes, bread, etc.
They should bring back home ec class for everyone...
I agree with bananapants about the "...food wasn't important enough for men to pick up the burden..." bit. I didn't know how to express my feelings on that bit without drifting into a lot of feminism, and since I got to this blog via the Fatosphere feed I didn't want to derail the convo. Thanks bananapants, for saying succinctly what would have taken me paragraphs! :)
i thought a lot of what the speaker was saying made sense. although i would not have chosen the same examples to support a point.
i especially liked his point about farm-grown organic salmon. when i think organic, i imagine something that derives from its most natural state. the idea is to consume something that has not caused an inordinate amount of harm to the earth or yourself. how natural and environmentally conscious can a man-built farm be? then imagine the benefits of the amount of pollution caused by the distribution of the product?
i think the true message is that we all to make conscious choices about the things we consume. and make decisions truly based on what we know to be good.
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